[How female engineers work] You can become a female engineer even if you have no experience!

This is Umi Fujisawa from Public Relations

Are there any female engineers around you? I think there are fewer female engineers compared to male engineers. At our company, there is only one female out of 15 engineers

When I searched for "female engineers" to find out why there were so few, I found the following suggestions

"There are few female engineers," "Worries about female engineers," "Marriage of female engineers"

When I looked into this, I found that there were reasons such as "it's not suitable for women because there are night shifts" and "the work is so busy that you'll miss your chance to get married," as well as an image of it being a male-dominated society

So, is it true that women are not suited to being engineers? No, that's not the case

You can do anything! You can be anything! Women can become engineers too!!

To demonstrate this, we interviewed our only female infrastructure engineer about her journey from having no experience to becoming a professional !

Sakina Nakagawa, Beyond Co., Ltd., System Solutions Department, 3rd year at the company

Since he is not allowed to show his face, he is wearing a Kamen Rider Build mask. (Nakagawa-san is a big fan of Kamen Rider.)

I decided to join in and put on a HUGtto Precure mask. (I really love Precure.)

table of contents

1. The reason was that the people at the company were nice
2. Synchronization is important
3. Until inexperienced people get used to it
4. So that tomorrow's me can have an easier time
5. I can concentrate better on the night shift
6. "Thank you" from customers
7. The strengths of men and women
8. What I want is empathy
9. dream
10. summary

The reason was that the people at the company were nice

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_01.png" name="Fujisawa"] As Beyond's only female engineer, we'll be asking you a lot of questions today. Thank you for joining us. [/speech_bubble]
[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_01.png" name="Nakagawa"] Thank you. By the way, this mask is getting in the way. [/speech_bubble]
[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_01.png" name="Fujisawa"] I was thinking the same thing. Shall we take it off? [/speech_bubble]
[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_01.png" name="Nakagawa"] Let's take it off.
[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"] Oh, it's really comfortable. [/speech_bubble]
speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] It's easy to breathe. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"] By the way, what got you into infrastructure engineering, Nakagawa-san? [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] Well, on March 1st, 2015, I went to a job fair held at Intex Osaka during a typhoon, and this was the last company that gave a presentation. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I see. What other companies did you go to listen to presentations from?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] Well, I went to a lot of different places. I didn't really narrow down the industry for the time being. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]What kind of industry do you like?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] There wasn't any at all. Surprisingly so. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I guess we should just go and see.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] At that time, I didn't even know that there was such a thing as an infrastructure engineer. So it wasn't like I thought, "I want to become an infrastructure engineer!" Rather, I felt that the people at the company were really nice and the atmosphere seemed good, so I strongly felt that I wanted to work at Beyond. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Wow! You got such a good impression just from the information session?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I didn't have any qualifications and I didn't go to a particularly prestigious university, so I figured that no matter where I joined, I'd be starting from the same point. I wanted to join a company where I felt I could dedicate myself to the people and the company. I thought that if I could become part of the company, I would definitely last longer, and that suited me best. And the company that I thought was the best fit was Beyond. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I see. What did you say when they asked you about your reasons for applying during the interview?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] "I chose this company because, at the information session, the atmosphere seemed the best." Something like that. Looking back now, I think that was a pretty arrogant thing to say (lol)[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]That must have been a good thing![/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] So, through a fortunate turn of events, I was hired as an infrastructure engineer. So, the means and the end are reversed, so to speak. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]When you joined the company, you had absolutely no IT knowledge, right?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Surprisingly, there weren't any. But the other two classmates were studying IT at school, so I was like, "Oh no!" [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Was Nakagawa-san a humanities major?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I'm a humanities major. I didn't even know the first thing about servers. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I see. So, how did you explain that to your parents when you were job hunting?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] "Well, anyway, that thing." [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I have no idea (lol)[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I just thought it would be okay to say it was something related to IT. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Well, it's difficult to explain, isn't it? What kind of people did you think you'd meet before you joined the company?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I was wondering if engineers don't talk to people very much. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]That's true. I thought engineers were people who made cars.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] Right. After joining, I just wanted to make sure I didn't do anything rude. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]When I joined the company, I was simply amazed to see people chatting with the person sitting next to them.[/speech_bubble]

Synchronization is important

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]How was the training after joining the company?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] In a word, it was like, "I don't get it..." But the other two in my cohort had the knowledge, soI was able to grasp it relatively quickly. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Among our classmates, Nakagawa-san was the only one with no prior IT experience.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I felt nothing but inferiority (lol)[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]It's hard to say things like, "I don't really know."[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] But at least I was lucky to have good colleagues. If I had been alone, it would have been much harder. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Oh, really? Having colleagues who started at the same time is important, isn't it?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I was told this during a meeting with the president in my first year. "At this stage, Nakagawa-san's abilities are the lowest among the three of us, but I think he will improve from here on out, and I believe he is the kind of person who will never stop making the effort to improve, so as long as he doesn't slack off, I think he will one day surpass the other two." [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Oh! I'm sure they thought that even before I joined the company.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I did mention during the interview that I lacked that knowledge and experience. While they do expect results from my work, I was grateful that they took a long-term view of my character. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I've certainly never been rushed either.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] I think it was a big help that the CEO himself waited for me, even though I was growing slower than those around me and didn't really know what a server was. [/speech_bubble]

Until inexperienced people get used to it

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]When you first came in knowing absolutely nothing, how long did it take you to get used to the job to some extent?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] Well, it will definitely take a year. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]That's right.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Even after receiving training for the first three months and then on-the-job training for the next three months, there were still so many things I didn't understand. When I was told to build a server, I was like, "I have no idea..." Moreover, even when we received inquiries from customers, the server environments and what each customer was doing were so different that we rarely received the same inquiries. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Even if you remember something you've been taught once, you still have to do something different.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Ms. Nakagawa"] That's right. So Iwas grateful that the person in charge of my OJT (On-the-Job Training) kept a record of what I had done. That's why I decided to keep a record of what I had done so that whoever did it later would be able to do it the same way. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I see. It's important that even if the person who did your on-the-job training isn't there, you can still understand the procedure by looking at the manual.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] Sometimes when people say to me, "I was able to do it by following the instructions you made, Mr. Nakagawa!", I can't help but chuckle. I think, "You can worship me even more, you know (laughs)"[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Hehe (laugh)[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"]I feel like I've accomplished something (laughs), and I'm glad I made it. I think I started making things like that about a year after joining the company, when I was getting used to the work. There are still things I don't understand, though.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Does your attitude towards work differ between your first, second, and third years?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"]That's right. In a performance review before starting my second year, my boss told me to "keep a record of what you've done," and that if I kept a record of what I did to whom and what the result was each day, I would have accomplished 365 items in a year.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I see.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"]If you fail at something you've done once and understand the reason, you'll never fail the next time you do it, and if you keep a record of that, you can look at it occasionally and think, "Oh, I've done this before," and you'll see a clear accumulation of your work.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I see! It's very clear.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Even without anything specific, it's easy to see how much I accomplished at that time. I made an effort to evaluate myself before being evaluated by others. If there's something I don't understand, I make sure to ask questions myself, and I've keenly realized that being passive is no good. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Did you come to realize this as you continued working?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] With tears streaming down my face. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I've been trained.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] Yes. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]So, you feel like you're putting your well-trained skills to full use right now?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"]What do you think? After two years, I've come to realize that books I read in my first year can now be viewed from different perspectives, like "Oh, so that's what this meant."[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Oh, I see! So it's about remembering a book you read before.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] It reminds me of that. If you have accumulated experience, you can understand things now that you didn't understand before, so I think that for technical jobs like engineering, it's a continuous learning process. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Technical skills can be acquired later, so in the end, personality is what matters, right?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] Isn't that right? No matter how much knowledge or skill you have, if people don't want to work with you, it's no good. The required skills are things you can acquire after you join the company. [/speech_bubble]

So that tomorrow's me can have an easier time

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] When you say "studying," it's hard to know exactly what to do, but for example, I'm building a test environment for a server, learning about the principles behind how servers work, the different types of servers, and other fundamental things to build a strong foundation. I'm also studying for the Linux LPIC certification. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Do you do that after you get home from work?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] That's right. It sounds a bit stiff to call it studying, but I think it's fun to learn things I've never seen or heard before. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]That's an idea I'd never thought of... When you had to learn from scratch, were you really eager to study?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] Well... [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Really?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I was reading a book on the basics of Linux alongside working on my graduation thesis, but I couldn't understand it. There was a word I didn't understand, and when I looked it up, there was another word I didn't understand, like a Matryoshka doll. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]No matter how much I research, I can't make any progress...[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] But the moment you change 0 to 1, the next thing you know, it's not 2, but 3 or 4, so I didn't know what would happen, but I kind of understood it, and that was fun. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Wow! Do you still encounter words like, "What is that word?!" even now?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Yes, there are. Like, "What are you talking about!?" You have to understand that when you're operating a client's server, and you have to fill in the gaps yourself, so I study to make things easier for myself tomorrow. There's definitely something interesting about it somewhere inside. [/speech_bubble]

I can concentrate better on the night shift

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]When did you start working night shifts?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] It was around October of my first year. I started with other people around June, and from October onwards I was alone. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]That was pretty quick. Were you scared at first?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] It was really scary. But my parents are nurses, so I didn't feel any discomfort working the night shift. It didn't seem like there would be any ghosts or anything. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]That's true (lol)[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I had heard about the night shifts at the company information session, so I didn't have any reservations. Besides, I have to get the work done. I don't get sleepy, and I can concentrate better at night. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I see. Besides responding to alerts, what other tasks do you do during the night shift?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Things like handling inquiries that remain after the handover, or any work that I've been assigned. Lately, it's been things like creating manuals. [/speech_bubble]

"Thank you" from customers

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Even if there are some tough times, when customers say "thank you" in a businesslike way during their daily inquiries, all those feelings just disappear. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]That's good to hear.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] When customers directly say thank you, I think it gives me a great sense of accomplishment and makes me feel like it was all worthwhile. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Which do you do more often, phone calls or chats?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] I use chat. I only make phone calls in urgent situations. I'm not as nervous about making phone calls as I was at the beginning. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Were you scared to make phone calls at first?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] It's really scary. It's embarrassing to admit, but it took me over three months to remember everyone's names in the company. It was like, "Who the heck is this?" There were times when I didn't even know who had gone on break. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]At first, you might think, "Which team was this person on again?" By your second year, were you able to do work that made use of your experience?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] That's right. After a year, the expectations and responsibility to be able to do this much have grown. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Does that make it more rewarding?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] Yes, I do have a sense of responsibility. [/speech_bubble]

The strengths of men and women

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Are there any differences between men and women when it comes to working?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I think there are some differences between men and women that cannot be bridged. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Speed, perhaps?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Like abilities and durability. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Ahhh. When you say durability, do you mean how long you can continue working?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Men have more stamina, after all. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Well, that's true. But somehow, even from the outside, it doesn't feel like Nakagawa is the only woman on the team.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] What does that mean!? [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I've never really thought that she must be having trouble just because she's a woman working alone. She just seems to be working normally. From the outside, anyway.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] In terms of appearance, yes. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I don't know anything about the internal workings.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Compared to last year, that kind of thing has disappeared. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I joined the company last November, and at that time, I was impressed by how much work Nakagawa-san was being entrusted with, which was surprising for someone in their second year.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] It's a blessing to know that there are people who see you that way. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Are there any strengths that are unique to women?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"]I guess it's noticing the little things. I don't really like routine tasks, but by doing small things, I've been entrusted with more work.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]There are some things that only women can notice, right? If a woman is going to become an infrastructure engineer, are there any personality traits that you think would be good?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] In the book I read yesterday, it said that a "meticulous person" is someone who "knows that things should be running as a matter of course" and understands how that leads to results. It also said that being sloppy is unacceptable, but I don't think that's true. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]So, it's not really suitable for people who are careless?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I think being meticulous can mean different things depending on the situation. When it comes to responding to alerts, the way you respond varies from time to time, and even if you follow the manual, things don't always turn out that way in reality, so you have to be able to look at things from a different perspective and act accordingly. Different skills are required for each response, and you need to be able to think flexibly, so I don't think there's one type of person that's suited for it. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I see. So you're someone who can think for themselves in the moment.[/speech_bubble]

What I want is empathy

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Have you ever encountered any difficulties because you're the only woman on your team?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I feel relieved when I can have casual conversations with women from other departments or when they empathize with me about even small things, but that's not always possible within my team. Idon't need an answer, I just want them to empathize.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]That's true. I always solve my own problems on my own.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] That's right, I don't want to hear the truth. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I understand.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I totally get that. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]So, would you be happy if a woman joined the team?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Either way is fine, I guess. I'd be happy if you liked Kamen Rider though. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]A Kamen Rider girl, huh (lol). There aren't many women who want to become infrastructure engineers in the first place.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Mr. Nakagawa"] Is it really that difficult to become one? Even someone like me, who doesn't even know what an infrastructure engineer is, can become one. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]I can't even touch type.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Me too. Even if you can't do it, you can still do your job. [/speech_bubble]

dream

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Finally, please tell us about your dream, Nakagawa-san.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] First of all, my goal is to become someone who can be useful to the team. I want to get closer to that position. My dream is to be a troubleshooter. I think being a troubleshooter suits me best because I get motivation from customers. I won't spare any effort to get closer to that goal. Ihave to build my own confidence.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]That's true. There are things that others can help you with and things that only you can do.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] I want my boss to acknowledge me, but I also want him to get angry at me. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]Is it difficult to understand and respond to customer requests?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Yes. I have to ask probing questions like, "So this is what you want to do, right?" There are a lot of things I have to think about on my own. That's why I always need sugar. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]You eat chocolate and stuff during breaks, don't you?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] It's more like intake than eating. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]It feels like you're sucking nectar from a flower.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] But I don't have any special awareness of working as an infrastructure engineer; I feel like I'm no different from a regular office worker. To be honest, I don't even think of myself as an infrastructure engineer. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]What exactly is an infrastructure engineer?[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Hmm. He seems like the kind of person who builds the foundation so that the service can be used. He's creating something that's taken for granted, so it lacks flair. But I prefer that. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]So, you're working behind the scenes.[/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="R1" icon="nakagawa_02.png" name="Nakagawa-san"] Yes, I think it's suitable for people who like to work steadily. As for the job,you like this company,thing. It's good to have a clear motivation for joining the company. [/speech_bubble]

[speech_bubble type="std" subtype="L1" icon="fujisawa_02.png" name="Fujisawa"]That's true, if you've chosen a company like that, you'd want to be able to do even tasks that aren't your strong suit. Thank you so much for speaking on behalf of Beyond's female infrastructure engineers today! [/speech_bubble]

summary

Currently, there are few female engineers, but if you have the desire to work for a company, it doesn't matter if you have no experience or if there are few women

You may feel anxious about working night shifts or that it will delay your marriage, but the strong desire to work here will be the driving force that will keep you going

Even if you fail, you can just try again, so keep in mind that "you can do anything, you can be anything," and use the things that only you can do and your strengths to reflect that in your work